235 or nhandy@ledgertranscript.com. Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? Part I He writes As a farmer I come across many outdoorsman looking to hunt our property had a conversation with one who believed very strongly that we had mountain lions in New Hampshire. I'm Peter Biello in for Laura NOI. Part II. About Lions. PublishedNovember 16, 2018 at 6:16 AM EST. Yet this young male traveled about 1,800 miles. Saddleback Mountain Lions Less successful males roam further. I live pretty much on the town line of Greenfield just a couple of miles down in the Greenfield. Because I mean as we've heard in the past 10 minutes like there's there's some disagreement or at least some some vagueness about what an actual mountain lion should appear like in the wild assuming we can even get close enough. Patrick Tate: So the individuals can say that but for an agency that's based on science and what not to to go off with no evidence and then get into that giant debate and all these other issues and put credibility at risk I don't think that would be a great path to take. The DNA the DNA that they were able to pull from the cat suggested that it was a dispersed mountain lion that came. But are there mountain lions living in New Hampshire? Kyle I think about Rick Tate wants to jump in here. They absolutely do. As recently as 2011 there was one young male mountain lion that cruised all the way from the black hills of South Dakota, up over the Great Lakes, down through New Yorkgetting spotted all. Join as a $8 per month sustainer and get our brand-new owl umbrella! I just stood there just a second and I came to a complete stop and then I ran away. Infinite Scroll Enabled. If youd like to submit a question (or send a mountain line photo) you can record it as a voice memo on your smart phone and send it tooustidein@nhpr.org, OR call our hotline, 1-844-GO-OTTER (1-844-466-8837) and leave a message. If it's just in the middle of a greenfield you can't prove anything. NH Fish and Game Wildlife Biologist Patrick Tate reports that so far, mountain lion reports accompanied byphotographs have been misidentified bobcats or housecats, or pictures of mountain lions taken from the Internet and reported as being recorded in New Hampshire. Anytime at any HP broad dot org or subscribe to our podcast search Apple podcasts Google Play or stitcher for an HP bar exchange. The species that once inhabited the Northeast, known as the eastern mountain lion, is now extinct. support for an HBO who comes from you our listener Sam from advanced in you a local New Hampshire nonprofit specializing in college student loans and student refinancing options. And it was you know 10 or 12 people saw it all at once. If you believe you have seen a mountain lion and want to report it to NH Fish and Game, please contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or wildlife@wildlife.nh.gov to request an observation report form. Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? Part II - WMUR Peter Biello: So if they were female mountain lions here they would be more males just because that's what they're looking for. Rick your thoughts. It's completely possible that it may have spent time in New Hampshire and went undetected but had it stayed in the area ultimately it would have been detected over time. What's going on. And a lot of people around the county airport have seen a lot of pilots coming in said they saw huge. We'd be inundated with scouts in the past when newspaper articles have been written about DNA and scouts. And boy it was big it had to be at least 200 pounds the thing was you and and it just made a little bit of noise and it was gone. The second one was not only fresh but when I actually put my hand on it it was you know smelled like cat and I it's there's no denying a fresh mountain lions get if you can tell it every story that KOAT. And so. Caller: It had just left that field and was out. However the scarring on the trees did not and the angles were off. He told me that on one of his many scouting trips for Black Bear he found a deer carcass up in a tree. Peter Biello: Nice to be here. Which brings us to the next question, what are the odds that some of these reported sightings (which, when I posted about this on twitter, I immediately started to get as well) are actually people seeing a mountain lion? Its actually fairly reasonable to believe that mountain lions do, at least, pass through occasionally. You know perhaps poke around where you saw it and see if you can find a track. But you've done some reporting on this. Updated: 9:53 AM EST Dec 6, 2016. Well just that I have evidence and it was not it was denied by fishing game at the time and I you know there's I don't need to prove to anybody that I saw one just like some of your callers said okay. Since 1917, Lions clubs have offered people the opportunity to give something back to their communities. I mean there was this one lady I remember and tough tomorrow. NHFG Wildlife Biologist Patrick Tate identifies this cat as a bobcat. Reports without physical evidence are not dismissed, however Fish and Game cannot verify a sighting report without physical evidence. and territorial animals are much more inclined to create a problem with passer bys than dispersing animals in fact I'd be totally shocked if a dispersal would encounter with a human purposefully unless they had already had some type of training to do so. The unheralded hero of Apollo John Hubble the man who knew the way to the moon. She is renowned for tracking. Chartered: 1973 . So what I'm getting back is the verifying and confirming of evidence what that was not there. In my New Hampshire career I have written several, and seen at least 20, stories along the lines of "local person thinks they saw a mountain lion but there's no actual evidence aside from. So try to take photographs if you see something like this. I noticed it had a really big sweeping tail that kind of curled up behind it and all but still at that point because everyone says there's no mountain lions here. Patrick Tate: I've from all the situations I've read and learned about wildlife. Think you've seen a mountain lion. They reported seeing the big tail and everything everything. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an PR. For instance, Floridas wildlife officials have a similar ghost cat: the black panther. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. And still the the folks there did weren't able to come up with it with 100 percent certainty what deposited that scat. Patrick Tate: Exactly I was gonna bring that up juvenile male of. Peter Biello: Ok. From "History of New Hampshire Game and Furbearers" by Helenette Silver, Research Clerk, NH Fish and Game Dept. Peter Biello: So Patrick today Fish and Game no downward pressure on you to deny the existence at all costs of mountain lions here in New Hampshire. Sam Evans-Brown: So Tim so this cat's been been referenced a couple of times I think we should talk about it specifically lay the whole story out for folks who haven't heard the story because it's actually I think really indicative of a lot of stuff for talking about. Let's talk to Mike in Webster. This is not the same as saying that there has never been a mountain lion seen in New Hampshire. Nicholas Handy can be reached at 924-7172 ext. Pat humans people leave deer carcasses up in trees. The second story window through about 30 feet away from it. Information that weed family automotive dot com sunny for today high temperatures low to mid 80s clear tonight overnight lows in the 50s tomorrow sunny highs in the upper 80s. The report came in from a conservation officer. From: Boomerdog in OK 08-Oct-07 They kill big animals. No doubt in my mind it was. I saw that had this giant the bobcat had this giant sweeping which is John Bobcat don't have big sweeping tails. Well they are the same. So hard to know hard to refute if there's no interest in making up a story which many people of course do then I would respond the same way as Pat did. The Eastern mountain lion is extinct in the eastern United States and Canada, but in 2011, a . John is calling from Bennington. They are the same thing. Are there other powers that be worried that scary mountain lions will scare off people from camping in New Hampshire. Despite numerous reports, the NH Fish and Game Department continues to have no physical evidence of mountain lion presence in the state. Mountain Lions in New England: Sightings, Science & Bobcat vs Mountain Lion Patrick Tate: It became a very interesting investigation over time because it started becoming. How far were you from this cat. Sam Evans-Brown: But I mean the video I had been sent was you know a recording of a animal growling but it was in slow motion and when I asked the person why is this in slow motion the denied that it was so there's a lot of weird stuff that happens in regards to people claiming they've seen they've seen these things. That's next time on one day. The views expressed in this program are those of the individuals and not those of an HP are its board of trustees or its underwriters. However if if and when it does happen it takes up a lot of resources looking at that situation and identifying what's going on because when you start out you don't know it's a hoax. So. NH Wildlife News and Info | NH Wildlife So I would put this in the category of sort of like shark attacks right. Some argue that it's a leap of faith. 44-N Links. So and so the idea that they can follow up on every individual sighting is just crazy right. So here we have you know a very qualified biologist who who found a print took a plaster cast found a scat send it to a university. Peter Biello: Listeners give us a call if you have a question or a story of a sighting 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Yeah I did. Mountain lion or cat running across. He says when youve got a mountain lion in town, its kinda obvious. Now again I don't know that there's anything to that. Less than a year later I found a scat on the swamp range and I was working at the time with a fellow at the Michigan wildlife habitat Federation. I'm gonna send you a letter that we researched this report and we spoke with those labs and the lab wrote in their letter to us that they could only say that Scott contained white Tea Party fur and that they could not say what deposited the scout because it's far too degraded listeners we'd love to hear from you about your mountain lion sightings if you have seen one or if you if you think you have give us a call we'd love to hear your story 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. What kind of animal is that. Mountain Lions in New Hampshire-Fact or Fiction - YouTube So nowadays we think of this in the Northeast as crazy stuff that people have a mountain lion as a pet. I have one that's more elaborate than that. So for our scientists to do the lumping and whatnot. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. Patrick Tate: Yes. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. Sam Evans-Brown: Pretty well I was going to say it is nice to hear about how to identify the facial markings but probably I'd being a to identify the tracks is probably the more useful useful tool that one can have in their tool box. NHPR is nonprofit and independent. Sam. Administrative Links. One was in Shelton. There'd be there'd be all sorts of you know basically a lot of hassle required if that were to happen. Rick van de Poll: Well the mountain lion of course has been sort of an enigma in the wildlife suite for years and years. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an HD PR fine Peter Biello and today we're talking with folks who can tell us about the mysterious elusive mountain line and whether or not it is actually here in New Hampshire. Patrick Tate: Yes. It was in the spring flash kind of early summer and my wife looked at you look at the size of an adult bear and we were up in arms. They create these big latrines that are very obvious. So so. They just end up in these places. Peter Biello: When did you allegedly see a mountain lion. So so it is possible in Maine to still to to to have one but you have to be sort of professional handler as it were. Peter Biello: Worth mentioning if we're scaring anybody question a mysterious mountain lions lurking perhaps in someone's backyard. Patrick Tate: So I agree with what Sam said in part that their ability to go undetected for amount of time but ultimately it was detected. Theyve always said when we have verifiable evidence to say a mountain lion has been, is, or was in the state that wed acknowledge that and give that information out, says Pat Tate, the furbearer biologist with New Hampshire Fish and Game, who insists theres no conspiracy. And there's there's no evidence of that cat's movement in that entire you know 12 hundred miles stretch of its journey. Mountain lions don't usually travel more than 100 miles from where they are born. Course like Sue said you have to see it and it's not always that visible. Mountain Lion | Squam Lakes Natural Science Center 1957. DNA from scat or from fur, a clear track that is confirmed by an expert, or a photo that clearly shows a mountain lion. No I saw a camel. So I did a bunch of research and all the documentation I found was there art are not any pieces of DNA of Eastern online. Patrick Tate: So I just got to throw a little interesting side note in this. On a dirt road. So I reached down to grab the camera and looked back and like a ghost it's gone. There have been several sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. Listeners we'd love to hear some of your thoughts on this. And it's not really strong. Reviewing the evidence, the U.S. Have it reported down in the Keene area. Thanks for your call. And trying to figure out the little pieces to identify him so I bring up the names the differences but the appearances can be confusing for some. What do you think that. Chartered 1973; Member of District 44-H; . Really appreciate it. I would say that there's going to be the truth in here somewhere. Peter Biello: The number is 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Okay. From came from out west they tracked it all the way back to the Black Hills in the Dakotas. You can see two of them at Squam Lakes Natural Science Center in Holderness NH. Peter Biello: We mentioned that the eastern cougar and the Western cougar are they were separate eastern cougar believed to be extinct. And to anyone listening I would just say you know fishing game who wants proof right. The way that we define species has undergone a revolution with the advent of DNA testing. Sam Evans-Brown: One in fact Helena silver in that sort of tome that Rick van de Poll read from at the beginning is she. Every other Friday on Morning Edition NHPRs Sam Evans-Brown tracks down answers to questions about the environment and outdoors for our listeners in a segment we call Ask Sam.. That's the real story is they can't follow up on every one of these sightings. County road and all of a sudden a big cat jumps out of the woods over a stone wall stood in the middle of the dirt road as I rode towards it. Caller: And the more I thought about it the color of it it was definitely not a bobcat. Well let's talk a little bit about that. So do they. How many mountain lions are in New Hampshire? - AnswersAll Russ, from Sandwich (and Bedford) asks: In Sandwich New Hampshire, everybody has a story about seeing a mountain lion. Want to put this to to Patrick Tate who may have heard some some info or info from listeners like you about these these these cats. Patrick Tate: Same here in New Hampshire too. People go through great lengths to create hoaxes like this. Patrick Tate: So it's interesting it's brought up. We're gonna cue you up and bring into the program listeners in just a moment but I want to ask about the role that Mountain Lions play in the ecosystem we've been talking a lot about mountain lions traveling and being sort of hard to track as they move. This is the exchange. Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? Part II Its impossible to say, but I think the odds are pretty good that some of these sightings are legit. Residents believe cougars still roam New Hampshire's forests The Connecticut Mountain Lion is the best documented wild Mountain Lion in New England. And Rick Van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England. So now what's going on. The great thing about pictures isn't the animal itself it's the background. Thanks for calling. It's got a a smudge of black and bobcats and links just don't have that we don't have any other cards. Today on the exchange we discuss what residents may have been seeing and what breeding mountain lion pairs would mean for our ecosystem. The best documentation we have in New Hampshire suggests there hasnt been a mountain lion killed by a hunter in this state since 1885.
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