Sometimes it makes you wonder if they have EVER read/learned anything from Jesus! N/A For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the lawjustice, mercy, and faith. Many churches are about the money, as is some of their pastors. "[3], The New IFB was formed by Anderson and other Baptist pastors in 2017 in an attempt to revive what they perceived older independent Baptist churches once represented. Welcome to the Duggars world of Independent You got me I am an IFB college grad. See if you recognize any. If your church encouraged you to make your own decision about becoming baptized, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. If you party, DO NOT drink. Refusing to eat at a restaurant because they serve alcohol Theres nothing wrong with eating at a restaurant you just cant order alcohol, thats all. WebNo denomination, governmental body, or religious hierarchy may dictate the church's beliefs or practices. This church is affiliated with the Minnesota Baptist Conference and the Baptist General Conference, and may likewise cooperate with interdenominational fellowships on a voluntary independent basis. Deacons help the pastor care for the flock so he can give priority to prayer and the ministry of the Word. The New IFB does not consider itself to be a denomination. Please read the rest of the website and my story rather than just judge me. God has given each institution specific Biblical responsibilities and has balanced those responsibilities with the understanding that no institution has the right to infringe upon the other. We can joke around about a differing denomination that we dont agree with, but how we react to a situation that wasnt intended, also matters greatly. I was taught that. The Duggar family, so much in the news lately, are Independent Fundamental Baptists (IFB), a loosely affiliated, singularly cultish denomination of (Job 3:16; Psalm 51:5; 139:14-16; Isaiah 44:24; 49:1, 5; Jeremiah 1:5; 20:15-18; Luke 1:44), We believe that God has ordained and created all authority which consists of three basic institutions: (1) the home, (2) the church, and (3) the state. At one point in my life I would have agreed with 45 of your 55 litmus tests, plus a few others. Doctrinal Statement - independentbaptist.church Why would I even send a lost loved one to church instead of sharing the gospel with them for that matter? Complete Guide to Christian Denominations: Understanding the History, Beliefs, and Differences by Ron Rhodes. We affirm without apology the doctrines frequently identified as the Fundamentals of the Faith, which include the deity, virgin birth, sinless life, substitutionary death, bodily resurrection, and imminent return of Jesus Christ. We believe that the strict, literal interpretation of the Bible makes us Baptists. 6 And they love to sit at the head table at banquets and in the seats of honor in the synagogues. If you believe that you can tell who the good Christians are and who the bad Christians are by looking at the fruit in their lives, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 51. Like I said, forgiveness doesnt mean anything other than forgiveness. I like door knocking is any of our church compelled to do so? 19:13-15. 4 How can you think of saying to your friend, Let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye, when you cant see past the log in your own eye? No, but I wanted to send the rest of my life with him. I lied just to get government support saying My child and I live alone. I dont think having two revivals a year is a bad thing as they word states we should continue to get together as believers. To the author, I hope youll be okay someday and if you can find a way to dig out that root I think youll find peace. Stil fit. Many of these, yes are extreme, be we also need to not be compromising in some areas. There are independent Reformed/Calvinist Baptists, and independent Arminian Independent I was married when I attended before and now as a divorced woman, I know I probably would be looked down upon. I am unsure if she was already a member before her husband passed or not. My pastor and his wife sent evil. Southern Baptist Beliefs Seeing 2 brothers in Christ debase a conversation (be it one or both parties) to snide remarks, tasteless jabs, and condescension as a form or response, makes us all look bad. Read Matthew 23 for more information. It teaches parents to use their authority to prod, guide, and correct their children. We ARE the church my friend! Webindependent Baptist, to place in the hands of members of independent Baptist churches to help them to know the meaning of church membership and to better understand the doctrines and polity of Baptists, and particularly the reasons why we are independent Baptists and not affiliated with one of the various and sundry organizations among Believe it or not I can find time to pray while at the same time not sending my loved ones to an abusive church. Also, #55 there has only been and will ever only be one perfect person. No one knew about the marriage except us. 12. If you believe that all Catholics are going to hell, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 35. Like I said, funny post, but a bit judgmental as well. Just because we forgive people doesnt mean we are obligated to marry them or anything else. If you think that reading a version of the Bible other than the KJV is a sin, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 18. JUDAH. All youve done in your last paragraph is parrot typical IFB talking points no substance there, just regurgitation. 1 John 1:9 31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. Attending an IFB church is the only way to hear the true gospel and get saved There are so many churches that claim the be the one, true, church, especially the Catholics, Greek Orthodox, Anglicans, some Lutherans, Jehovahs Witnesses, Mormons, etc. My birth mother is a Catholic she didnt raise me. If you see buses full of kids of all ethnicities and backgrounds coming to worship together, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Me preferring the Kjv bible and believing its the inspired word of God is not incorrect. Dont throw your pearls to pigs! 10. If your pastor begins his sermon by reading one verse than yells and pounds the pulpit for the next 30 minutes, my current pastor, at Balsam Street Christian Church, doesnt do any of the two as he doesnt use the pulpit to preach his sermons anyways. 1. These Independent Fundamental Baptists appear to be inconsistent, and so misguided. The Bible is our sole and final authority for faith and practice. But it cannot be pleasant carrying all that bitterness around with you every day. Attending all three, in my opinion, is optional. We dont think rational thought is dangerous. You might 34. Yes, see my answer to your first question. Even though I dont believe the churchs teachings anymore, Im very grateful for the care and support I received from the Baptists growing up. We believe that any form of homosexuality, lesbianism, bisexuality, beastiality, incest, fornication, adultery, and pornography is a sinful perversion of God's original intent for a physical relationship between a husband and wife. I had a wedding dress from when my boyfriend proposed on December 5, 2010. I read Matthew 23 just before writing. Not all churches are the same and if they are teaching Bible, they do teach about sin, and it should not be to make you feel any constraint towards the pastor to get away from that sin, but to learn to have some personal conviction that their sins need to be addressed, but THEY have to make that decision. We believe raising your hands during warship is appropriate, but the Bible specifically says to bow the head 2 Chronicles 20:18. If you think that tithing 10% of your gross income is the minimum, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 6. What is the Southern Baptist Convention and what do Southern Baptists believe? We believe that the New Testament church is a local assembly of baptized believers who have voluntarily joined themselves toge therto carry out the Great Commission. Years ago, I heard a very funny but truthful skit on what was or wasnt OK. Each verse ended with, Its OK, because Independent Fundamental Baptist Preachers do it.. If you attend a church each Sunday with a team of men that keeps track of attendence each Sunday In our congregation, we do not do that. The bitterness argument has been answered many times. You can be a better Christian IF you repent of your sins and turn away from them and if you can grow spiritually. Independent Fundamental Churches of America We believe his power is supernatural, yet limited; and that he cannot act without the permission of God (Job 1:6-12; I John 4:4). If you look down on people who are divorced, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 38. Please get away from the IFB as far as you can, as fast as you can. Pastor and his wife did pay for the reception, photography, and shower. Does he always heal people no. You dont just GO WITH THE FLOW. The pastor our local congregation is the preaching elder and most Churches of Christ avoid the term, Pastor, when addressing their ministers. Pastors daughter did my hair and cleaned my dress with baby wipes. When you finally get the blinders off let me know, we will rejoice with you. 3. God divorced Israel but Not judah..Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of WHAT?? You can read some of the experiences here: https://baptistdeception.com/testimonials/. If you believe that the IFB isnt a denomination because they are Independent, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 37. Due to the nature of the churches being independentin their autonomy, a percentage of what is believed, practiced or condemned by Independent Baptists (or IndependentFundamental Baptists, or Bible Believing Baptists, or IndependentBible Believing Baptists, or Unaffiliated Baptists, or Unaffiliated IndependentBaptists - just to His mom, Dorothy Chrisman, was a teacher at the academy run by Fairhaven. 52. This is an independent fundamental Baptist program that has chapters in churches all across the country. Im told its because when u abandon the real truth, theres hardly any hope. Was so funny reading it, one thing that struck me is if an outsider were to read it theyd be incredulous, wondering how we stuck with it for so long. Mind you all this was before I repented and ask God for forgiveness. If you believe that everyone who opposes IFB doctrine is just bitter, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 48. If Just As I Am causes you to repent and go to the altar, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. (Genesis 2:24; Leviticus 18:1-30; Romans 1:20-32; I Corinthians 5:1; 6:9; I Thessalonians 4:l-8; Hebrews 13:4), We believe that human life begins at conception and that the unborn child is a living human being. Every person is individually responsible to God and will be judged according to the beliefs and practices he or she freely chooses. They act like childern, but my church loves them because Jesus loves them. What We Believe - Fundamentalist Baptist Church If you believe women shouldnt wear pants, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 12. 16 Blind guides! Hypocrites! I remember our pastor asking us if we could forgive each other, and praise the lord we forgave each other for the offenses committed against each other. I didnt really say you can get drunk on grape juice but if I did, I might be a little confused. We believe in the autonomy of the local church free of any external authority or control. He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. Also, we lived in a free Appartement with food stamps. WebBaptist beliefs are seen as belonging to three parties: General Baptists who uphold Arminian soteriology, Particular Baptists who uphold Calvinist soteriology, and Independent Baptists, who might embrace a strict version of either Arminianism or Calvinism, but are most notable for their fundamentalist positions on Biblical I want to respond to your #30. G. M. Matheny. Jesus died for all, and if God is willing to forgive me because Jesus died for me than I will forgive another because Jesus died for them too. The Bible talks about a CHEERFUL GIVER. If a person gets right with God, then they will usually give, not because they have to, rather because they want to give. Is there any perfect , no. What a typical, legalistic comment from Jason. Ask questions if you need to and Ill be happy to explain more. The True Church: The doctrine of a believer's church is a key belief in Baptist life. 16. of Infighting, Anti-LGBTQ Church Network Hope you have a great day! Praise God because us getting married and having faith we both grew. The IFB is the one who is hurting the cause of Christ, just like the Pharisees did. What is the Baptist Church, and what do Baptists believe? This is very good. You might be an IFB if Your child has went to church there 3x a week, his whole life, but when he leaves the church, your to have nothing to do with them. However, the churches are united by a number of doctrines. Correction is my discernment. as a former IFB, I read this.mmmmmm, mixing truth with deceptionI wonder the author uses, the same tactics as the serpent in the garden??? Its concept of an ecclesiastical Kingdom is not supported by Scripture. There isn't much out there on the web. If you run into a church member at the grocery store and see that they have a bottle of wine or maybe a 6-pack of beer in their cart and you struggle over whether you should share this information with your pastor, you might be and independent fundamental Baptist! I received these because of lies that I was single with no income. We believe the Blessed Hope of our Lord's return is literal, personal, visible, imminent, premillennial, and pretribulational. Abortion is murder. Many Christians believe some of these distinctives, but true Baptists believe them all. The parable of the prodigal son is talking about Israel the younger and Judah the elder. For you say that it means nothing to swear by Gods Temple, but that it is binding to swear by the gold in the Temple. 17 Blind fools! The pastor explained forgiveness and that Jesus has already forgiven his sin on the cross and if I choose to not forgive than I am believing in my heart Jesus didnt die for his sin. If you question if youre truly saved or not when youre having trouble accepting that giviing 10% of your gross income is a direct commandment for all Christians and if you dont give it, youre under a curse. That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. 45. Independent Baptists (a.k.a. That doesnt necessarily mean they arent a dangerous cult. If your church allows no outside group of singers to perform at your church for fear that not all of their individual theologies line up with the churchs you might be an independent fundamental Baptist. Interesting that Steve begins his response by taking the Lords name in vainmmmmmmm, very interesting, but hes found the truth, riiiiight. Im mocking IFB beliefs many of which arent scriptural. God works in mysterious ways. Peace. Church membership is a necessary privilege for believers who follow Christ. Independent Fundamental Baptist 23 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the law of Moses. hypocrite. I love the Lord with all my heart-I attend church when I want and where I wantbut mostly I have bible studies with Christian friends in coffee shops, homes, and restaurants and (I usually have on a pair of blue jeans. However, some (I agree Ogrodnik) are unfair and judgmental. But what He hates about us is the pride and arrogance in us. Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 8 These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. 42. I have an old high school friend here with me who started visiting churches. What Jesus did on the cross is for our salvation. We reject any teaching that abortions of pregnancies due to rape, incest, birth defects, gender selection, birth or population control, or the mental well-being of the mother are acceptable. Jesus Christ is the mediator between God and man. I dont know what Daves intentions were. (Genesis 2:24; Genesis 19:5, 13; Genesis 26:8-9; Leviticus 18:1-30; Romans 1:26-29; 1 Corinthians 5:1, 6:9; 1 Thessalonians 4:1-8; Hebrews 13:4). We believe in verbal, plenary inspiration in the original writings, and God's preservation of His pure words to every generation (II Timothy 3:16, Psalms 12:6-8). Our only Head is the Lord Jesus Christ and our only headquarters is heaven. They will trample the pearls, then turn and attack you. Jesus tells us in Matthew 7:1-5: Judge not, that ye be not judged. We had no money.. No member shall The school was run by Lester Roloff, an independent fundamental Baptist preacher who broke from the Southern Baptist Convention in 1954 and founded a series This is because primarily I am a Bible Believer and if church doctrine of any individual church does not line with scripture, then this so called doctrine is nothing more than a vain tradition. 12 But those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted. I rarely post on random pages I stumbled upon but by his reaction, he didnt think Dave intended to be offensive to prove a point. The Trinity: Southern Baptists believe in only one God who reveals himself as God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. So spontaneous but like it was planned. Everything is about Him, He is a jealous God. If you consider it worldly and almost frightening if someone brings a different version of the Bible to church, and wonder what your Pastor would say if he knew, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. IFB church members know how to laugh and have fun. King James is the inspired word of God While I do like the old King James Bible but King James Only is wrong because its misleading and its legalism. Generally its the Pastor, or Preaching Elder or Minister, that has to attend multiple services because he has to preach the sermon. (Psalm 12:6-7; 2 Timothy 3:15-17; 1 Thessalonians 2:13; 2 Peter 1:20-21), Each local church is an independent body accountable to the Lord Jesus Christ. They are usually so full of themselves, because they went straight from salvation to knowledge, and Peter says to add to your faith virtue, and THEN go to knowledge, 2 Peter 1:5. If your youth pastor eats a goldfish or gives away a baseball cap for every visitor a child brings, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. to show me the folly of my performance-based religion. Lots of people at the church stoped what they were doing to attend. I personally fall under Southern Missionary Baptist, and literally had questions in regards to my recent visits at an IFB church. I believe being separate is doing what God has commanded you to do. What do Fundamental Baptists believe (1 Timothy 3:1-13; Acts 6:1-7;Philippians 1:1), God established both civil and local church governments. By the way Jason, if you think theres something spiritual about tolerating abuse, I feel sorry for you. They are already spelled out in the Bible. If you believe that secular psychology is worldly/sinful, but dont think that other areas of medicine are OK, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 45. 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[13] Robertson had previously attracted media attention after he stated that gay people should be shot and New Zealand prime minister Jacinda Ardern should "go home and get in the kitchen". The Baptist Fundamentals and Hermeneutics I dont see how. People need Jesuswhats the big deal? Happily a brainwashed Bible-folk for about 28 years with more peace in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ and a firm foundation of absolute truth to stand on (yes, thats the KV, haha!). You ALWAYS have your KJV Bible with you at church, and turn to numerous verses each sermon. For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell you yourselves are! Did I have to marry him because I forgave him? Baptists: 10 Important Things to Know About The Church Beliefs They were so grieved by the fact that they had broken a 30+ year record of being at church three times a week. No official opinion on this though as I said we should discipline our children the same way God disciplines us I grew up in a IFB school and then university, so I can totally relate. If this method were a stock, who would invest in it with such a low return. 5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brothers eye. Rather than attack one another, perhaps understand where both are coming from? The Pharisees were filled with hypocrisy and iniquity and my church is not. If you believe that clapping after special music is wrong because it gives praise to the performer rather than to God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 16. The independent fundamentalist Baptist movement emerged sometime in the 1940s as an attempt to continue the legacy of the fundamentalist movement of the Yes, we have strife and faults and hypocrites. Smoking in itself is not sin but I do agree that smoking can cause teeth decay, lung cancer, breast cancer, etc. A Baptist church may choose to associate with other churches of like faith around mutual interests or ministry opportunities, but one church cannot exert authority over another. No, because I have said and thought some things I regret. I must say, I was hoping the list would be more interesting but the fact mixed into the exaggeration of each point was mostly so true it seemed a bit pointless! Also, Im not mocking Biblical beliefs. Thank God for grace! Is that what the great commission tells us to do: Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and send lost loved ones to an IFB church so that they might be saved (DHV Don Holt Version). They were not Ignorant Fungicidal Blaptists. If you think that other than suits and ties for men is too casual for Sundays While I dont believe that you must dress up for church with suits and ties, however, I do believe we should honor God in His house by dressing up. All rights reserved. Even if you cant tithe now you can still serve in some way and later when you are able to improve your financial situation they will get your tithe. Romans 5:8 is about salvation. Is to help you find a bible believing church, an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church, that seeks to serve and honor the Lord Jesus Christ. If you think that homosexuality is an unforgivable sin Thats not true. [8], The New IFB website states that it is not a denomination and that New IFB pastors have differing views over minor theological issues. Independent Fundamental Baptist or Bible-Believing Baptist) are a particularly cranky fundamentalist branch of unaffiliated My mother doesnt wear fancy earrings. For which is more importantthe gift on the altar or the altar that makes the gift sacred? The women that I befriended in this church will always be my sister in Christ. If I chose to forgive him there would be hope for our relationship. Most pastors skip virtue, usually because they just dont know any better. Scofield came to know Christ AFTER all of that, so I dont hold that against him. To train up a child does not mean to beat him with a rod, although there BE TIMES that a spanking becomes necessary, but NEVER out of anger. What if it had been biting you for 5, 10, 15, or (in my case) 25 years and you managed to finally escape would you go back or send a love one to pet it? )(yikes), because I never want to put that church building and hierarchy that rules it above Christ. 55. We believe in the natural divisions of Scriptures as a basis for study. 4,2, and 7 month old. Now, I am a 25 year old women with 3 children a 4, 2, and 7 month old and my Husband is 26. Gods will was for me to forgive. And Pastor of Bible-Believing, Fundamental, Independent. You should have, instead of adding a dozen or so of your comments, said If you believe everything in the Bible, you might be an Independent Baptist. Please correct me if Im wrong, but arent we supposed to follow the teachings of the Bible, such as tithing? I have 3 children I sometimes spank I sometimes lecture. Looks like youve forgotten to include haircuts (length and style of hair). WHY do children that leave IFB churches hardly ever come back? What surprises me, though, is that he was ordained as a pastor and actually called to pastor DL Moodys church in Massachusetts as a divorced man. If you think that mental health issues (depression, anxiety, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, etc.) N/A Of course these cultural attachments border on the cultic, no doubt are legalistic, and hopefully will disappear eventually as the old guard depart their bondage in this life for Glory! I will have to argue that while on vacation we just go to church somewhere else rather than dashing home.
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