:), McCarthy September 15 2020 post question about last sentence, or anyone please+sealant. I am nervous about this and I'm wondering if anyone had trouble with white streaks on their floor? And dont go forward unless they are willing to give you samples with ALL the finished coats. The company that supplied the raw wood and the installer both recommend Bona products. Held off on final coat until project finished.. which will be done in a few days. Had my red oak floors done in weathered oak and they are still simply too pink. My kitchen is the opposite of yours with white cabinets and gray countertops and I like the way my natural white oak floors warm it up. Is This the Year Blue and Green Kitchen Cabinets Edge Out White? We even "fumed" a few boards in a fuming tent, and they just didn't look as good as the waxes/oils. When it came to a finish, I didn't want any red or yellow coloration. WebMy new white oak floors have 1 coat of Bona Natural Seal and 2 coats of Bona Traffic HD satin. By clicking Accept I agree to this, as further described in the Houzz Cookie Policy. We got to see snippets of the finished floor today, and we love what we see. Dear Doane, A well established hardwood flooring company (a "ma and pa" type store) will have the big machines to get the product off of your floor. @mtpo - When will your floors be finished? For someone to get this done 'properly' takes training. I am in the same predicament and not wanting to settle for maple! I dont want to hide the clerestory windows with coverings and dont like the strings that show with bottom-up shades (maybe OK for the bedrooms). I hope I get into the house before any subcontractors mess them up again! Can a bathroom door swing out instead of in? * I didn't know that Classic Sealer added yellow that Natural Sealer did not but I didn't have anything to compare it to. He is also meeting with Sherwin Williams this weekend at a trade show in Vegas and will see if there are any better options to achieve the Studio McGee look on rift white oak we are all looking for. Is there a really hidden section (you only need about 1 inch square) that you don't mind possibly damaging? We got select I think its 3/4 thick and 7 wide. Sie knnen nicht notwendige Cookies ber Einstellungen verwalten ablehnen. This is part and parcel of your payment. @Gilligan GehrityI am lucky (at least where I live) to have a cabinet maker who #1 will fit me into their schedule and #2 is willing to learn a method to satisfy my requests. Looking at pictures of finished jobs of all three, its difficult to tell the difference. And like all things "time is money". He will then send the sample to a Sherwin Williams Product Finishes Store and they will match the sample. WebBona NordicSeal is a waterborne sanding sealer that is formulated to provide a green alternative to a whitewashed floor without the use of caustic materials such as bleach. Erfahren Sie hierzu mehr in der Houzz Cookie-Richtlinie. It requires a special approach. From all Ive read, it seems Bona Traffic HD is the way to go on the finish coats. But was the Bona Traffic absolutely clear? If it does nothing: Take a piece of masking tape (not painters tape). However, I think the maintenance is much harder than what I previously had - natural red oak with a higher sheen. First - The second pic you gave looks really weird. Different painters proposing different solutions to calcimine ceiling. 2 coats at the right coverage is more than enough for low traffic areas. They can use a big machine with a screening pad to get up most of that gunk. Ill post more pictures when I get back to the house. The cabinets and a new layout transform a once-dark New Jersey kitchen into a light and bright space, Its typically the primary color in gardens. (The Classic has less of a haze.) did you have a contract or at least an email stating you wanted white oak? It still should not come off. That's when we discovered he had never used water basedand that was the light-bulb moment for everyone. The floors are being installed and finished by Brazilian Floors (they have several locations in the D.C. metro area). Please contact us if we can be of further help. Ahhhh. My installer has Amber i think yhat will be too dark. Is there another more affordable option I can try? How much should I expect the Traffic HD to change the color? The white background wasnt a true white but it wasnt bad and the marbling was pretty. will slightly darken the floors and sort of intensify the variation (the sample boards almost looked wet to me). White oak seems to be kind of tricky. Find the right local pro on Houzz to kickstart your project. Two things to do: First, drag your fingernail across it, see what happens. Same price as Barker, but more choices for color (I'm doing white uppers/rift oak lowers) and lots of help with my kitchen design. He said my sister was lucky ((so far) he said its really not supposed to be used for countertops. The supplier may help you out. Just my 2 cents worth but typically, OAK flooring will shrink/expand ACROSS the grain it's usually pretty stable end to end, as with most hardwood species. It's hard to tell how deep those scratches are. Rift white oak lowers and white uppers. More great information. Of course the MORE coats you put on today.the FEWER coats you have to ADD in 15 years time (called a buff and coat and costs $3/sf on average). WebBona NaturalSeal Brand: Bona 87 ratings $8892 FREE Returns Customer ratings by feature Durability 5.0 Value for money 4.3 Easy to use 4.0 See all reviews Similar item to consider Amazon's Choice AmazonCommercial Multi-Purpose Enzyme Cleaner, 1-Gallon, 1-Pack (12347) $24.97 ($0.20/Fl Oz) Frequently bought together + + Total price: We want to stay away from adding a yellow, green, pink or orange tint to the floor. The Corian fabricator came back and polished them just like new. Milesi or Renner, etc etc. Do you have high ceilings ? @kasmit00 Did you ever find the recipe for your post from last year with the beautiful soft "brown" floors? You can get a natural matte finish in medium- light tones with the colors mist, natural, white 5%, white, and cotton white. Color we like the Bona Nordic best and the Bona Natural second, but they both have a muddy haze when you see them in real life. I worry that two coats might look too light, but with one coat, I still see some yellow coming through (my sample has the Traffic HD matte though, not satin). How to best deal with prominent railings in split level home, Durability of white macabus quartzite vs. quartz. We learned a lot from seeing the color and pattern differences between the American white oak and Norwegian white oak (and white oak from other areas). It was one coat of seal. Another thread I found talks about Rubio mono coat. less. We are prepping for a remodel and I have been using my kids roll of art paper and taping it to the ceiling to construct mock ups of potential walls. I looked at the bona product and it states it contains a small amount of white pigment? Mega is the 'cheap' level of the Bona line-up. Founded in 1919, Bona offers products for most premium floor surfaces including if so, the bank may be able to give you your money back if you dispute the charge for red oak and the install. It shouldn't if it's in good shape, but don't know what shape it's in, so figure i'd warn you. But some of the most popular recent kitchens on Houzz tell a different story, Whether light and breezy or rich and moody, these wood-rich kitchens might make you rethink painted cabinets, If you favor a little color in your kitchen, look to these spaces that run the gamut from light to dark, See how the most popular kitchen cabinet color effortlessly supports a variety of inviting design features, Tired of white? Can they be easily buffed out with a non-scratch sponge? Nordic seal is not a easy product to put down, unless you have experience. In real life, they look lighter and more uniform in color than shows up on my iPhone. My sister has Neolith and loves it (clean up a breeze but she does have nicks near her sink after 1 year). Bona DriFast Stains are compatible with all Bona finishing systems, including waterborne. Red oak floors look horrible, help with light stain colors needed! Will do.My two cents now that we are almost 6 month in. (Thank you @Joseph Corlett for giving me the confidence to use Corian and to Heartwood Solid Surfaces for doing the work.) Did 4 coats of nordic and 3 traffic hd on 1 dollar a sq foot utility 4 inch white oak but some was red oak as well but still my dog likes it. Yes, thsts bleached and toned oak with a matte finish. One that I just came up was someone who posted a picture of their island door with Bona NaturalSeal. I'm going to guess that's what the rep was trying to explain Of course your refinsher will apply a sample of EACH sealer on your freshly sanded floors so that you can DECIDE on the one you like (and will include a coat of the HD finish in the gloss level you have chosen.so that you can be 100% SURE of what you are choosing). WebBona NaturalSeal is designed to be the foundation or first coat of a three-coat water-based system, so dont just use it for all your layers, thinking you are being clever and saving money. Please help on base, crown, window, door molding size decision. He can work a section. It's hard to tell how deep those scratches are. Most of the articles I read suggested that 3 protective coats is the way to go. It is less than $0.85/sf. They are *very* hard, and you will be hard pressed to find a coating that stands up to them), but it would tell you that the floor coating appears to at least be behaving. Of the Bona sealers, NordicSeal looks to white to me and AmberSeal - well the name says it all, trying to stay away from the amber look. Some of us dont have either the budget or access to a multitude of cabinet makers so trying to work with them on getting the desired finish. @Moran Blueshtein. Get the third coat of sealer. Is there a really hidden section (you only need about 1 inch square) that you don't mind possibly damaging? There are MANY people who do NOT know they are 'clean-shiny' people until they purchase matte floors. Now green is having a moment in the kitchen, These design moves will add even more to white kitchen cabinets appeal, Find out the most popular countertop, flooring, cabinet, backsplash and paint picks among homeowners who are renovating, Neutrals still dominate cabinet color. Web108K views 6 years ago. However, as you can see from the photo, after the first coat, yellow dominated the room. But that's just a quick guess. G & S isn't bashing you, they are bashing the 'dudes' in the industry. (We dont know for sure what our on site finish will be either but felt we had a little more control this way.). If you are paying for professional grade products, just make sure you are GETTING professional grade products. Could my response be taken incorrectly? @Jonathan Margareten- I read through my old post, and am not sure if thats what we ended up doing. They are *very* hard, and you will be hard pressed to find a coating that stands up to them), but it would tell you that the floor coating appears to at least be behaving. . Unless you're certain the gaps developed AFTER installation, I'd suggest the possibility they may have been present all along. This is not designed to be the tough outer layer Carly, please provide source for your floors, exactly what Im looking for. Any suggestions on deciding one over the other? Seems I also read that it may not even cover that much some places. I don't want yellow - so thinking Natural or Nordic - but I'm worried about the white wash being too much. white oak hardwood flooring. But maybe it is just old and scratched over the years? WebWe just installed 5 white oak throughout our home. He had 15 years of experience doing only floors and was highly recommended to me. Apply the second coat. @renee, can you post photos of the completed project? Ask youself, do you WANT to see a floor that shines AFTER you clean it? Site finish your floors with Rubio monocoat and get exactly what you want. Are light white oak wire brushed floors hard to keep clean? Your floors are beautiful. I do love the natural color. @Ryan Danielson what did you end up going with? It is slightly better than a oil base polyurethane system. View a wide selection of Rugs and other great items on KSL Classifieds. Can two finish coats be done in a day or should there be a day between all 3 coats? @Jonathan Margareten Hi. I found a highly recommended company that has experience with placing wood floors in the most humid environments Plenty of high-end homes have wood floors here so someone has to do it & do it well- just find "that" guy! I am very picky with the stones I purchase. These are the LVP samples and my unfinished white oak stair parts. Show me your white oak floors w duraseal country white or Bona white! Do not use the following Bona naturale, Loba invisible, pearl or pure For the top coat. What is your installer recommending? Sigh. I prefer to see three coats of finishbut if you MUST save money while still using Traffic HD then you can go down to two coats. We used 1 coat Bona Nordic and 2 coats Traffic HD in Satin. WebBona sealer to avoid uneven tannin pull due to using a water based poly, (especially on white oak), no stain, then Bona Traffic HD. I"m just assuming you don't want to cut up your floor. I fear, though, that the amber color has penetrated the wood since a sealer was not used and I am stuck with a yellow floor. Carlyweiss, your post and pictures are so helpful for those of us in the choosing process. The advanced technology formula provides speed and high performance for hardwood floor finishing professionals. I hope some of this information is helpful. so you did one coat of natural and two coats of HD? They have little to no chemical resistance. I didnt know what I wanted for finish when I contracted the job and their quote was for a cheaper finish. Thank you. The cost of the floors is such a big expenditure that I didnt even ask the installer if or how much he was charging me for the samples I chalked it up to the overall cost of the floors. Two things to do: First, drag your fingernail across it, see what happens. @mtpo Your floors are beautiful. If ending up with the typical honey oak is my only choice, then I'd rather just get painted maple/mdfwhich isn't what I want! Any specific fillers recommended for the knots & gaps ? Thank you, I don't know the specific name of it. How 'cheap' do you want to go with something that important? WebHealthsmart: 640-8174-1900HS, Healthsmart - 640-8174-1900HS - HealthSmart Steel Shoe Horn 24", White, HealthSmart Steel Shoe Horn 24" L, White, Epoxy-coated Steel I also have some design software that may help with your need. It has come out very well. Nice when a risk pays off . Have experienced installers figured out how to use the Nordic in open floor plan homes? Prevent the tannin pull so common with white oak. A VERY trchnichally difgicukt finish yonachieve. I was thinking Bona Natural and then Bona Extra Matte finish? If they are not able to confirm to you what material it is, then look elsewhere for your countertop fabrication. Granite is an igneous rock also formed from extreme heat and pressure. Our project starts on Dec 5. A red oak floor does not need sealant. They make their final grit-pass and then they will place the colour samples down with a coat of finish. I will report back once I have the application on a sample board. . Argh. I wish we did three coats of the Traffic HD as he have a ton of traffic (three kids and a dog!) @skru33 Thanks! I have found some great inspirational pictures. If neither does anything to your floor, the floor coating is at least in reasonable shape. Heres a photo of our 7 Norwegian white oak before sanding or any sealer. It would have been better to ASK if they put on all 3 coats in one day. Intense seal will cast yellowing. I thought I was going with Pallman's white, because it was gorgeous on the 15"X8" sample but on the larger sample with a new bundle of wood it pulled way too pink, even on white oak. I have some anxiety he didn't apply the poly in the correct thickness. See the photo below if you open the photo you will see the raw wood. Traditionally you will ask for QUOTES and then VIEW their work (photos or in person if they have clients who offer their home as a 'show piece' = very rare) and THEN you hire the person who as the best "fit" for your needs. Several dollars per square foot would be expectedthen you add the $4-$5/sf for the finish. Some people complain that is hard to live with finish, because for example foot marks while walking barefoot. I didnt want to pull up the protective paper but you can see the floor a little better in this photo. This is what G & S was responding to.a quick scan of your answer (I'm guilty of it myself some times) can give the impression that everything was done same day (which it wasn'tbecause I asked about the LAST coatnot the timeline to reach last coat). Just seemed so right. Hi everyone! Also what do you mean by toned oak? My guess would be red oak since they have gone more orange. They did a great job. Houzz Pro: One simple solution for contractors and design pros. See the before and afters and why we chose this color. And it is taking me some time to get used to a matte floor. After reading on the website about this particular water-based finish, I learned that while it might dry clear, it leaves an amber color tone--just what I did not want. 1 coat of nordic seal will subtly lighten the color of white oak, while 2 coats of nordic seal will make it significantly lighter. Then ask the fabricator about the stone you are considering if it's purchased from a separate slab yard. But I miss a slightly shiny floor. Obviously flooring isnt my specialty, but it is yours. Still a good quality product line, just not the best. 1 coat seal and 2 coats finish. @Ashley Your floors look beautiful. Is that really that difficult? So it comes in at 1025 or 1.25 X 820 sf (amount of flooring ordered with sufficient for waste/scrap. It doesn't make sense. @tkgriff Love the floor. (The chocolate would have been fabulous next to it.) A best fit can also include their 'interpretation' of your 'vision' (not theirs). The edge is not as nicely finished as the Corian. Thanks so much in advance!! You only need an inch. My stomach-- which had been in a knot for a year due to indecision relaxed. A new color true black is introduced by Duraseal. The finish will look different if you start with different white oak. W Spray Mop Kit EJD1462712 Dark floors are pretty popular with clients but as you mention usually going with white or painted cabinets. Thank you SJ McCarthy for your expertise and explanation of time between coats, drying time and curing time. We are building next year and making decisions now. Are You Gutsy Enough to Paint Your Floor White? When was the last coat applied? I want to make sure the floor is fully coated and not have to buff and finish again sooner than would normally be necessary. First - The second pic you gave looks really weird. The instructions on the bottle is straight forward. Very patient. Can you apply the Bona NaturalSeal and then apply a couple coats of something like the Renner? I'm sorry but this finish is not "salvageable". Many people would give their eyeteeth for floors of that quality. I did look at photo posts to get an idea of what product/color I was looking for as I wanted something a little more custom and different. Then the next day a coat of finish. @Ashley I just want to lay down on my floors and HUG them!! It shouldn't if it's in good shape, but don't know what shape it's in, so figure i'd warn you. They do their own fuming there I found it interesting to learn about that too. YesBona Traffic HD is MUCH more expensive than over-the-counter stuff. But, my husband and I are closer in agreement. Bona Natural Seal on the top, Bona Nordic Seal on the bottom. It is my impression that this as raw wood had less variation in color from one board to another and less pronounced grain and was a bit lighter than the American white oak or the other European white oak I saw. Paint them over a piece of white paper and the finish turns orange all by itself! Also, Durasupreme got less than good reviews online. The problem is that at this point my trust level is quite low. No scrape, no scratch, no nothing. Was afraid it would look a bit cartoonish or out of place. @clairepope It's only been a year - so far they are perfect! I am aware that it will require maintenance but most things do so Im fine with it. Ask for Bona Mega One. Please continue to post pictures of your kitchen. Dont know if you can see much in this photo the brown paper is torn away under the island and an area of the floor shows there. Sigh. We are looking for the same - any update on what you ended up using? Any reputable stone dealer and fabricator should be able to tell you which are grainy Quartzites and which are Crystalline. I personally see dolomite and dense sandstones misrepresented as Quartzite more then any other material. They should be able to get the job done for you. I will post pictures. Here is a link of various lighting for At Ease (it's not shiny at all). Quartzite gets a bad name due to companies mislabeling marbles, dolomites and sandstone. If that does something, it's busted, you don't need to test further. The other two will give you more color. When I see Nordic in photos it looks beautiful, but I dont think I want a white wash. There are FAAAAR too many 'dudes' out there that call themselves pros. WebOld worn white oak floors get a makover with Provincial stain to achieve a warm medium toned brown. Windows for a 1920's Spanish style home in SoCali. https://sprucingupmamahood.com/provenza-vinyl-flooring-review/. Installing an 8" plank with full spread glue is EXPENSIVE (the labour alone is intense). They just came out with the same wood thats 1/8 inch thinner as an option. The coating should not come up. Absolutely love the matte finish. If you are someone who loves the look of the 'raw floor' but you HATE the hazy look of NaturalSeal, then I HIGHLY recommend going with the satin. So in my mind better to research and ask questions than not. And cure times are the BEST case scenario (temps and humidity are ASSUMED to be PERFECT = they NEVER are in a home setting = please leave an extra day). I personally feel a reputable stone supplier and fabricator will educate you in mineral composition, stone formation, and inform you how and where the stones are quarried. Bona Traffic HD is 10 times EASIER to find (but a snick harder to work with). Our cabinet maker will be finishing them, not us. white/grey countertops with light wood floor & stainless appliances. WebBona ClassicSeal Floor sealer highlighting the wood's natural color Size: 1 gal Find a distributor Information Documents Key benefits Minimizes tannin bleed, especially on white oak Exceptionally clear, highlighting true color of wood VOC Compliant Seals the wood, preventing the finish from penetrating Information and I wish we had another layer of protection. Thanks so much! Originally, I had declared never to Quartz after reading peoples complaints about chipping and cracks. The bleaching added to the cost and another opportunity for something to go wrong. San and finish guys come in next. The lowest level of gloss I suggest to 'clean-shiny' person is semi-gloss. It offers a bigger margin of profit. Although, it can be used as a stand alone sealer. Your comment was devised to make me feel small and make worry about my floors when they are already finished. ), Make sure your installer has experience using the Bona products and especially the Nordic. Over the years, theres been a lot of things Ive cut costs on, but I feel it doesnt pay to skimp on a major feature of my new house that should last for a very long time. . They don't turn orangebut they do throw a strong YELLOW hue onto the floors. There are some lap lines on the floors from the sealer. When I get to see them, Ill post pics. The raw wood that was laid (almost the whole house) looks beautiful. I wish I had the link, but there are others that used a combination of stains with weathered oak as the base and it is beautiful as well. Sorry but that isn't the way things are done in the building industry. Trying to make this choice right now(within the next two hours- yikes! That 'fit' can include their ability to communicate. I know this is a flooring product but the color was almost perfect. Cant decide!